I agree, the standard is set too low now.
Movies are getting over 4s that would have gotten around 3.5 if they had been submitted a few years ago.

or it's like TomFulp leaving a great review and getting the "insanely well received" text on the bottom when let's say I say the same great review and get "useless" for not being as important. Like if I submit a cheap flash that makes you chuckle (BTW, Brawl Taunts is boring and horribly made, OPINION) compared to Watterlollies.

Also, if you submit a 5 paragraph essay for a flash movie, but people don't agree with you, your reviw is received badly and counted as "useless".

"DUDE THIS WAS GRATE 10"

"DUDE THIS SUKED U R GAY 0"

and thats the majority of the reviews anyone ever gets.

Im VERY extreme...you either get a 0 or a 5...a 0 or a 10...very rarely do i give out 2-9/4

^^ that's what we're trying to prevent.

I agree, but don't you love it when people give you Fat 10s on your animation?

I'd rather get a 0 with a good review than a 10 with some retarded fucking shout out about how great, or funny, or (UGH FUCK) random it was.

On NG, a score is completely meaningless because the highest scoring things are absolute shite half the time.

I agree that a comment box system is a good idea.

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also lol@djnet

@Griffin:

I submitted a game on my other account and some people gave me 10s just for it being my first game. I like 10's and stuff, but I want people to be honest with my flashes and give them good scores they deserve and give constructive criticism, not like:

"GOOD" 10
"FUNNY" 10

I want something like:

"Good, needs more music though" 7
"Awesome, the lighting was great, keep it up" 10

I agree completely.

Also, what would you like for your birthday?

My birthday is July 2nd. Wow, I'm one day older than you.

Don't worry, my only motivation for having an absurd voting power is equalizing some of the fanboy spillover :P

Score > Constructive Criticism
Yep, I rarely see 5,6's, 7's, and a lot of people vote 0 or 5 instead of anything in between.

I agree totally. Actually I was gonna make a cartoon called "more piece of SHIT parodies about brawl taunts". it was gonna be a satire about that piece of shit flash.
unfortunatelly I had to leave that project because my voice acting was horrible. and I dont have the english accent.

all the thing sthat I hated about that movie:

NO BACKGROUND
PIECE OF SHIT LIPSINCH
USED JOKES
BALLZ, COCK AND DICK USED AS FUNNY WORDS (if i was a 10 year old i would laugh at it. but its still a cheap joke).

Im gald to see that not everyone on this site needs a brain surgery. damn. I LOVE YOU SIR.

by the way. as a sexy birthday present here are some HAWT pictures of me
http://www.canarias7.es/fotos/c/veran o06/4515.jpg

why, they all got hard ons or something? : D

I agree with you, far too many times have I seen a mediocre flash get reviews like Awesome flash :10 or that That was shit: 0 although I admit I am guilty of throwing out an undeserved 10 and maybe even 0's although I always give a decent reason for a 0, since they deserve at least that much.

The only practical thing I think might possibly decrease the five or zero voting is not showing the score until you vote. I five or zero, but review with care. A comment system apart from a review system would be interesting.

I agree with you, but I also think that people are intitled to their opinion and should be allowed to vote how they please.

personally, im trying to add old videos that are actually good to my site, im also kind of upset what gets put on the front page now, some stuff can stay there for like 3 weeks even though it might not be that good, i mean deep sexy space is good, but after a week and a half, we've all seen it and want something new. i like the old videos on newgrounds better, now just too many ppl who spam good ratings or bad ratings, and occasionally ull get someone who actually tells the maker how to improve, and all the ppl who liked the game/video will rate the review bad because it doesent give a 10 -.-

You can't beat the system.

I've done a lot of this, but after seeing posts like this from you and some other dudes, I've actually noticed how much I've given undeserved scores.
I'm glad people have mentioned this, because it's saved me from my extreme voting.

Maybe the artists need to think "My awesomely detailed and in depth flash isn't doing as well as a 1 minute clusterfuck of retardedness, maybe I need something different and exciting other than flashy graphics and partially unoriginal stories"

I just check'd Brawl Taunt's reviews, and all reviews that had even little critsism were "Useless." Even my rant-review was weighted useless. And almost all 10's are given by 10-year old kids who think they are mature justr because they can use the internet. And i personally like this type of flashes that copy Egoraptor's style. I like it when Ego does it, because it's original then. But when other people do it, it's annoying. Whatever Kagome and Kirbopher15 said about "not copying Ego's style" They still copied it obviously. Personally, I enjoy flashes that are made with effort, and ironically, also the ones who are extremely crappy, just meant to piss people off.(I also make them just piss the 10-year olds off) They are 100 times funnier, than Brawl taunts. Anyways, im getting carried away. Can't wait for Pico's School the movie's next part,

And this is exactly why I didn't conform to the whole "One-liner reviews". I love making my reviews with somewhere between 3000 characters to 4096 characters.

It's obvious that the only reason why reviewers are giving these kinds of reviews is because they think they're too busy with something else to give a good review, (Although I can list a bunch of those so called "busy" things, I'm too lazy to do that right now) and what can we exactly do to stop it? Unless if the Newgrounds' staff decides to one day put a minimum character requirement feature in the reviews, it's virtually impossible to stop it. EVEN when they do actually do that requirement, the people who do the one-liner reviews will just end up spewing as much possible bullshit that they can possibly think of from their minds to make up for the minimum requirement characters.

Lets face the facts, unless if you have a cure for ADD, (A cure that most wouldn't mind taking FYI) you aren't going to stop these people from making useless, pointless reviews. It's just that simple. We're so damn crazy for new content, that most newgrounders don't have enough focus to concentrate all their power in their minds on one subject for too long.

*sigh*

This goes back to rtil's argument about gimmicks like internet popculture jokes being more highly praised then real hard work, to be honest that will never change because new kid idiots just replace the old ones, but hey if you can think of a reason that will change I'd love to hear it.

A well written story or a lot of gimmicks will always be more highly valued then technical skill, it's why there's over twice as many humour flashes compared to serious ones because it's much easier to grab the attention of the kids to early 20's market; I'm not talking about everyone of course I'm just talking about people overall.

Last time I checked over half the people who watch flash movies don't even leave reviews anyway, the difference between a good reviewer and a newb is they understand the kind of work that was involved, whereas everyone else is just thanking you for the free entertainment, the number just reflects how entertained they were. I dunno maybe people calling your review helpful/useless should have it's own level system indicating how good a reviewer is maybe?

Yeah, your right, and I might be a little bit guilty of that too, but I promise i'll stop that now =D

But some people go to the other extreme, such as voting very very low then randomly insulting something that they think has a too high score, rather than rating what they think the flash deserves, y'know, they don't give any particular reason...

Maybe something like this =P

"ITS NOT EVEN THAT FUNNY; SHIT! IM SO PISSED ARGH!!!!!!!!!!"

I try only to give out 10s to movies that I plan to put on my Favorites... and movies that people I know have made. That's about it, though. I try to be as honest as I can with my review score.

Sometimes I give better movies slightly lower scores than movies that aren't as good because I forget what kinds of review score standards I've set... =(

Stop your Mexican complaining, you bitch.
Learn English before anything !

>:(

Here's the lesson, if you're making flashes to be popular and get good reviews, just copy what everyone else is doing. If you're making flashes to have fun making flashes, then do whatever the hell you want.

My average score for something good is 7 - 9, but then I'm hoping to make a career out of reviewing things, so I've got to get plenty of practice in.

"ok, brawl taunts is a good flash, it was funny"

if youre just gonna lie to me i dont see why i should have to endure your post.

Bleh i completly agree i went throught the top 50 of all time list recently and id say all but half a dozen didnt really deserve to be there.There use to be soo much better stuff on that list and now its just cluttered with mediocre stuff from recent times.I rarely vote 5s myself however im probably a bit too quick to give a 0 but this sort of problem isnt only on newgrounds the internet has kinda led to a mediocrity in the standards people hold :/

My example of a critical review:

I'm easy to please when it comes to most internet movies but i didn't find brawl taunts funny at all. I haven't had the time to see the second one but I'm sure it's near enough the same 4-bit game style and Nintendo brawl humor that is aimed towards people with a wee ---- *wii* - (shows how much of an interest I have for new game consuls). I didn't find it funny but I suppose I would if I owned the game and played on it enough.

It did not meet with my high standards of entertainment (lol)

More Brawl Taunts was fuckin really unfunny if you ask me

When are you gonna finish pico school the movie?

I don't think it's that big of an issue.

Nobody has any right to decide what is good and what is bad. Sure, Brawl Taunts may not be as well done visually and audially as, say, There she is!, but if someone likes Brawl Taunts more then it, then why should they not give it a better score? Not everyone is looking for a sesual masterpiece in their flashes. If you like quick chuckles and jokes based off of SSBB, and hate Japanese music, then SSBB is a better flash then There She Is! Some people don't care as much about certain things.

Although, I agree with the minimal one line review thing. I feel bad if I'm not a jerk in a review, and I'm wasting space.

People won't learn that the "Write a review" option is there to actually write reviews, not comments.

Well i agree about leaving small reveiws but sum1 said sumthing about serious flashes witch get low scores and well:
1)Comedy flashes have a wider audience
2)i only really watch funny flashes because I come to the site looking 4 a laugh not to be turned EMO (LOL)

CIAO

What happened to the good old days? It seems a lot of people are noticing this trend too (like, just the other day I read another blog about this). We must be more critical, I mean personally Waterlollies is cool at the top of the portal for all time scoring but it only has 4.37 compared to lets say More Brawl Taunts 4.48. In fact, look at the top five for the week and the fact they all beat Waterlollies or any other animation out there.

@ bladius1:

I'm pretty sure you have no idea what you're talking about. most of the older stuff on NG is not "funny". Shit, NG grew up around violent, controversial shit. Now-a-days, it's just there are too many little kids that think Naruto is the best anime ever and that everything deservees a 5 because it made me laugh and it's perfect.

Dude, I don't even give Adam Phillips a fucking 5. I gave Waterlollies a 3 and a bad review(which got deleted because of his fanboys, even if it was fair and not rude).

People come to NG for lots of different reasons.

And your shit about "comedy flash movies have a wider audience"? Shit.

It's because most people aren't offended by it. Do you know how many bitchy complaints I get about AFD when we kill Foamy? A shitload.

The only reason that people are rating so high on stupid shit is because it doesn't do anything new, they feel comfortable, in their "happy place", if you will.

Then you get something like AFD6 coming along that basicly takes them, kicks them in the mouth, and then shits on their mom's tits while peeing on their grandma. "Waaaaah! You killed Naruto! 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0!"

They won't even look at the fact that the animation was probably 10x better than Brawl Taunts. It's the fact that they just see one thing and then go 0 or 5.

If they hear one fart joke, they laugh and say, "man this is funny, 5!", without even looking at the big picture of the fact that this is a stupid 1-frame animation of a stick figure.

Do you know how fucked up it is when you get around 350 comments and all of them are "You guys are assholes!" or "Fuck yeah, you guys rule!!111!!" with the occasional real review? I mean, I like to know that we have fans, but I'd really like to know what you liked, what you didn't like, and how I can improve, not just that you think it's unfair that we shit on Foamy and Naruto and you can't handle satire because your balls haven't dropped yet.

I have all the respect in the world for Kirbopher15. he made Brawl Taunts as a joke. He told me he didn't expect it to be like this. He even told me that he doesn't fell that the score should be this high.

I dislike that the control is being thrown to the dogs with this, and I don't think that anyone upstairs really knows about it, even if we bitched a little this weekend.

Gah. My feelings on this subject are hard to be put into words.

esto es mas bien una opinion man, pero me parece un poco inutil tu critica. No por que no este de acuerdo (Estoy un "over 9000 thousand"% de acuerdo), si no por que estas apelando a la inteligencia y seriedad de la gente...
MAN, LA GENTE EN GENERAL NO PIENSA AL MENOS QUE TENGA UN MOTIVO PARA HACERLO! (como seria tu caso, que sos un flash artist, o como el mio, que es por que me gustaria que newgrounds fuera un lugar mejor)...
lo se, es odioso, es injusto y da terrible bronca.... pero bue, que se le va a hacer ??..
A mi me da mucha mas bronca el hecho que muchas sagas de newgrounds simplemente por ser populares reciban puntajes altisimos.
Ejemplo: "smash kingdom". Es verdad que es gracioso, y yo me rio mucho viendolo, pero he visto millones de animaciones 1000 veces mejores (tanto en calidad de imagen y animacion, como en guion) y que no reciven ni un 0.001% de la nota de "smash kingdom" tan solo por que no son populares (o por que no llegaron a la main page).... no se, me da terrible bronca todo esto, pero q se le va a hacer :P ...

ps: no estaria bueno hacer el siguiente experimento en newgrounds?:
-postear primero una animacion con un usuario desconocido
-posteriormente postearlo por alguien conocido (Digamos... vos :P ) y pedirle a Tom Fulp que lo ponga en la main page
-ver si la diferencia de votos que le pone la gente a un usuario conocido y a otro que no es muy grande. A si + o - podriamos tener un parametro :P

salu2's

I remember when the top 50 used to mean something

si lalo, un post va a cambiar a la internet ....
vos y tu ingenuidad lalo, vos y tu ingenuidad :P ....

hah shit if he gives me a blow job ill help make another brawl taunts. fuck that

Thanks to YouTube's way of voting taking Newgrounds it has come to this.
I do put critical mentioning in to the most of the reviews I leave on submissins (which I do quite rarely) and so I do with voting.

I give 5 only to those that really deserve it (or aren't by friends haha), like Story of Khale, Brackenwood etc.

But if the sound quality sucks and animation is good, I would give it a fair 3 if the idea is good and if the sound quality is better than animation itself and has good idea that works, I'll give the same.

Most rarest vote I give is 1, since mostly flahes get either 0 or 2 from me if the vote is that low.

Since if the flash is something that needs to be blammed, 0 works better and 2 is just to cheer up, that it didn't suck completely.
Something with a score of 2 out of 5 is sometimes watchable movie too, isn't it?

Oh well, all this madness is caused by that destroyer of the dreams of animators, which goes by name as "YouTube". And for some reason I'm meaning the flash thievery there too when I type something like that.

I LIKE THIS NEWS POST, PLZ MAKE MORE!!! -10

omg! i totally agree with

and dont you get freakin pissed by dudes that dont have one sinlge flash submitted on NG, like no voting power or anything alse for that matter, they give out 0's and 1's and comment like

"OH I THINK YOU CAN IMPROVE YOUR BACKGROUND BY ADDING SOME SHADINGS BLA BLA"

or

"I THINK IT WAS AN OKAY ANIMATION BUT YOU COULDVE DONE A BETTER JOB BLA BLA"

i mean like THEY know how hard animatin is or how much effort you put into it..

I may sound pissed right now, but i wrote this pretty calm actually...

The only thing we can do is start to post good reviews ourselves... Like what I just did with Bitey of Brackenwood. XD

Does this apply to KK flashes? 'Cuz I'd prefer to stick to blammin' them on sight, for obvious reasons.

ah, Brawl Taunts didn't really do it for me. I'm actually really pissed that they beat Spares in the Monthlies.

me ofenderia si no fuera q tenes razon ...

yeah but i say dudes with NO EXPERIENCE

i mean if you said dat to me, i would obviously value your opinion

you know?

To be honest, we had better ones with the OLD review system. I wonder what happened to that?

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